Mac Attack

by Mark Steyn
Steyn on the Oakley Show
May 30, 2018

https://www.steynonline.com/8678/mac-attack

On Wednesday afternoon I checked in with the great John Oakley at Toronto's Global News Radio 640. The main topics of discussion were Roseanne Barr and Tommy Robinson, the respectable class and the public discourse, and the remorseless erasure from the public space of Canada's first prime minister. Click below to listen:

John was kind enough to mention my being honored with the very first George Jonas Freedom Award by Canada's Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms. It's a great honor and distinction to be given an award named for a man head and shoulders above any other Canadian essayist. The big beano, on June 15th at the Eglinton Grand in Toronto, should be a splendid night, and if you're in Southern Ontario or even Buffalo (it's a zippy 90 minutes up the QEW) I look forward to seeing you there. You can find more information here.

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Elizabeth Bakoss • Jun 1, 2018 at 09:12

Liberal means never having to say you're sorry.

Steven Payne • May 31, 2018 at 21:35

The discussion below between CW, PK33 and others is interesting. CW comes across as extreme, yet I think he has a better handle on the current zeitgeist. When one side will no longer accept the results of an election that they lose, what is left to be done? Indeed, what is the point of changing minds when being in the majority makes no difference?
CW, I think you should calm down, but basically you're right. This has become a fight to the death.

Steven Payne • Jun 1, 2018 at 19:55

You be calm .

I'll be steadfast in my hatred and resolve.

My niece just returned from South Africa. There but for the grace of God - -

Families butchered. Babies dropped into boiling water. Small girls sodomized in front of their mothers.

Calm?

She no longer gives a whit whether the local children live or die. She has been transformed from eager volunteer to dedicated, virulent advocate for extreme push back - including all out race war.

P. Gao

CW • Jun 2, 2018 at 12:49

hmm. "Steadfast in hatred?" When has that ever been healthy for the psyche? Usually people get this hot when it happened to them personally, not by hearsay. Why not be as outraged by the brutal Pygmy genocide and the on-going slavery of them or the genocidal slaughter in South Sudan? It ALL happened to them, too. just never heard about it? Tutsis who lost their entire families at the hands of their neighbors are calmer than this display. Measured against this standard, they should be in a perpetual state of flame-out. But they aren't, so... how much weaker are any excuse-grounds to cry 'war' by detached distance? 'War' is always far worse than the imagination, all efforts to resolve peacefully are superior to it.

Who wants to find out later they were tricked into breaking something that cannot ever be fixed again? How many Hutus are now on record as saying they got caught up in the hysteria... only after did they see clearly how they were manipulated and fed lies to encourage fear and hatred of the Tutsis that was built to a panic?

From personal experience inside emergency refugee camps up close and personal with battered people by the thousands who lost everything for accusations they were innocent of, witness to the deadly effects of rumors constructed cynically to expressly play on people's assumptions, witness to the toxicity of lurid agitation to incite people to hurt other people: NOTHANKS! Not buying the story.

The situation needs to be dailed back, not jacked up. Cool heads are the ones that find the route to peace and uncover the hidden agendas. If people think that all that is going on in South Africa is random coincidence without any outside powerful influences, this is naive.

P. Gao • Jun 3, 2018 at 09:28

Pgao - Snowflakes need to stay out of the sun. You sound like a Kulak at a Ukrainian Drum Circle. "HEARSAY folks....just hearsay".

My son was almost beaten to death by a flash mob at a birthday party in an lily white surburb of Colorado Springs. Feral blacks refused to leave - as they turned over furniture.

My son's "cool head' tried to "dial back" the vitriole - soon only his sister's body across his head and stomach saved his life. His eyes were swollen shut for 2 days in the hospital. He was unrecognizable for a week.

He was white. He was passive. Years later he warned his cousin that the Pygmies or Tutu's she tries to help would murder her in her bed. She scoffed. Now she does not.

It's a numbers game. So long as we are a healthy tribe of numbers, and keep our distance, we can have daytime routine interaction. So long as we contain the post modernists and communists like V Jarrett, we maintain a fragile cease fire - as they pick us off at the margins and we/you cower and proffer peace signs.

"Deep rooted prejudices entertained by the whites, ten thousand recollections by the blacks of the injuries they have sustained, new provocations, the real distinctions which nature has made, and many other circumstances will divide us into parties and produce convulsions which will probably never end but in the extermination of the one or the other race."

Thomas Jefferson
Notes on Virgina (1782)

Basically the same opinion, different fellow:

"A Civilization is a dominant community that imposes its beliefs upon all other communities by violence, which must involve the use of genocide; so any community that recoils from inflicting genocide will suffer genocide."

Philip Atkinson
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/

P. Gao

CW • Jun 3, 2018 at 13:16

Good grief. So, genocide in your opinon is the solution to the world's problems. That's exactly what the Hutus asserted was the only solution to their Tutsi problem, that everyone had to reject the peace treaty that had just been negotiated.

One might notice today that despite aggressively promoting and viciously acting on this exact political philosophy which includied slaughtering the moderate Hutus who had wanted peace with the Tutsi, the majority Hutus lost the country to the minority Tutsi and the genocide Hutu leadership has spent the last twenty years on the run causing all sorts of havoc, instability and more atrocities against innocent people across five neighboring countries while being hunted down and captured to be deposited at the International Criminal Court for prosecution. SO much for that 'solution.' How different it would have been for five countries and their citizens had the Hutu genocidal cabal accepted the peace treaty and had normal lives the past twenty years? But life is complicated - many people have documented reasons to blame France's political meddling for setting up the entire situation in the first place that set the stage to pit the Hutus against the Tutsi.

That's just one example; everyone can easily recall the OTHER 'whiter' on 'white' example which resulted in a world war and destruction of all of Europe. So, quote away, it doesn't make the odiousness better. Jefferson's 'talk' was all over the place, because he changed his mind about a lot of things over time as he got more information and experience. He lived humanely.

Taken at face value, from your story, that neice of yours can't be much of a humanitarian at heart, if as you claim, she's suddenly ready to slaughter other people's little babies, who are obviously innocent. Maybe it's actually not that bad... she's just upset at discovering that human nature is fallen, and doesn't want to actually kill anyone's babies or kids, and probably actually not their parents either, who are just trying to survive in far less comfortable conditions with a fraction of the money she's used to, and have to keep living there while she got to leave.

Assigning guilt to entire populations for the acts of a few is no measure of fair or and it's not justice. Every single innocent person feels the gut punch of being wrongfully accused. It's the path to destruction, an endless downward cycle of ever-increasing violence as every brutal act begats a worse retaliation. Someone has to say "STOP!"

If one doesn't want their son or daughter to be an easy victim, then make sure they are prepared with solid self-defense training from an early age. Builds confidence, strength, resiliance and alertness to potential trouble to avoid it - i.e. parties. drinking, drugs, known characteristics of group behavior.

Does this sound foreign or familiar? When asked how the West African taximan got his successful business going, he said that his father was a taximan, so he learned from him, but his father also closed the doors of the household every night at 7 p.m. and forbade his children to go outside when the ruffians roamed. His father taught him to have nothing to do with the gangs and how to develop a work ethic.

He grew up working while many of his age-mates partied. He resented his father's intransience at the time because his friends made fun of him for not joining them 'relaxing' and 'having fun.' But twenty years later, the same former friends struggling to find and keep jobs were asking him for money. He appreciates now every effort his father made on his behalf.
So, to understand Africa, the nice people stay behind locked doors at night. One doesn't see them. At 7 a.m. they are out en mass on the streets on the way to work or school.

The African university students we knew walked 3 hours to attend classes and walked home every day because they didn't have the money for the bus. That's 6 hours of walking commute. Some African students sleep on the campus benches at night as their 'dorm' to get their Bachelors diplomas because they live farther than the 3 hours one-way hike and can't afford housing. Is it fair to lump them in with the gangs and rebels who prey on them?

Is that not the reality of life in any functioning community anywhere on the planet? Working, minding their own business, raising responsible children, staying out of the streets and parties at night? People who live that lifestyle need to be encouraged everywhere, not destroyed.

P. Gao

P. Gao • Jun 3, 2018 at 16:28

Heh. "Like a Kulak at a Ukrainian Drum Circle" sounds like a Weird Al Yankovich accordian polka song

Richard Byrne • May 31, 2018 at 15:01

Rosanne Barr is right, what she said was crude, rude and inexcusable. That said, it is truly amazing how quickly The Left, led by ABC bigwig Bob Iger, threw her to the wolves along, of course, with the entire cast and crew of her "Rosanne" show. Yet, liberals can go on mocking, cursing and disparaging the president and conservatives in general, sometimes in the most horrible ways, and nothing happens to those offenders. It's disgusting how vile leftists really are. And worse than that, their hypocrisy, unchecked, is stunning.

CW • May 31, 2018 at 13:16

I consider it a privilege to be a part of Mark's community - but I feel I'm on borrowed time here. It's only a matter of time before I must be purged (for the sake of the reputation of the group)

I am simply unable to contain my rage, fear, and singular focus of defending MY American heritage - and the future safety of my grand children.

Hamilton's Rule is part of our hardwiring - yet only White (devils) are denied the freedom to gravitate TO, and live exclusively with those who look and act like they do. It's a broad generalization - but Hamilton's Rule defines a million years of hard wiring in EVERY species.

Latinos as a group are polled on who "they", as Latinos will vote for. It's a given - an expectation - that they are a "tribe" - and "their" interests are aligned, and defensible.

Who questions this? No one questions this for blacks, Muslims, Mormons, even Japanese.

Only white people are denied the expectation of Hamilton's Rule guiding their life choices.

I am willing to live, let live, and take others as individuals. I even bought into the YES WE CAN candidacy of - a young Chicago black guy - done good!

But a vote for O was date rape. The 3 hankie "post racial" fraud gave us African governance. Gosh.

Another crass generalization about "others" -that my frontal cortex warned me about - yet I embraced something "different".

A photo of O with Calypso Louie might have tipped me off to the ruse - but voters were denied that peek at the reality of the man and his dedicated anti white racism.

Cheeto Head is a self evident racist slur - but not in black and brown and red and yellow America.

SO - question for readers

Why the rush to condemn racial comments by whites, and ignore and absolve anti white racism?

I am now a dedicated racist. I must be to survive the war on me and mine. I refuse to genuflect before the leftist demons who want my heritage erased and my grand children relegated to subservience.

I love Larry Elder. That doesn't make his tribe - my tribe. To his tribe - I am still prey.

He is literally one in a million.

Janet Pajerski

CW • May 31, 2018 at 14:17

Well said, CW!

PK33

CW • May 31, 2018 at 14:30

"Who questions this? No one questions this for blacks, Muslims, Mormons, even Japanese."

Actually, many people question this, including Mark Steyn, as well as some renowned blacks, Muslims, Mormons and even Japanese. You can find them if you care to look. They should be supported and in every way possible brought into the mainstream.

Tom Korte

CW • May 31, 2018 at 18:28

I understand where you're coming from CW. The Left is not out merely for cultural change, but for the extermination of the white race. Nancy Pelosi was very clear about their preference just recently when she went on her diatribe about 'brown skin' being superior to white. Many have pointed out over the years that the sole goal of the Left is distruction and that it's cloaked beneath a guise of compassion; in other words, there is no intention of making things better for anyone. It's difficult for many people to realize just how dire things are because changes are being implemented for the most part through the process of social engineering and not through outright 'revolution in the streets'.

Most of the voices that I've heard advocating against what is happening espouse a doctrine of winning their cause by changing people's minds. That's a great strategy, if you have time on your side. This type of outcome would be a lasting victory because it has not only defeated the opposition but also had them join you. Watching Dave Rubin progress from being a 'progressive' to being not only sane, but an advocate for sanity over the last couple of years has been encouraging, but it's taken a long time. I believe that this is why President Trump has immigration as one of his top priorities. If immigration is controlled then the battle can be fought with ideas but left unchecked there will be nobody left to mount the battle for the West.

A favourite commentator of mine has been Jordan Peterson. His views on personal development and responsiblity, as well as the role of religion and psychology in the structure of society are very well thought through. Where I think he may fall down is in his seeming refusal to address the question of when it might be proper to actually take action externally rather than just internally. One gets the sense at times that he might very will have told Churchill to quit complaining and every WWII volunteer to just stay home and clean their room. Still, in a very recent interview with LBC he came right out and said that there's no reason to believe implicity that religions and belief systems other than Judeo-Christian are compatible with the West. He backed up that statement by pointing out that if those foreign beliefs were compatible then Western style democracies would have taken hold outside of the West by now. He makes many compelling points and has thought through pretty much everything that he has said, but at times he still seems to be an academic as opposed to a realist.

As for the difference between academics and realists, I've stated it on here before that many combat veterans returned from battle and rarely if ever spoke of it again. It wasn't something that was fun, and even acts of heroism often left physical and mental scars that would last their entire life. Still, they took it upon themselves to do battle on the front lines and then carry the consequences of that battle inside them for the rest of their days without complaint. I'm sure that virtually all of those veterans would have much rather just carried on making something out of themselves with the lives that they were given, but they were called to serve and they answered that call instead. My point is that sometimes there are no nice academic choices and in the real world it remains only to do or to avoid doing what must be done to ensure the future survival of your your country, it's culture, and a place for you and your family in it. There will be a heavy price to pay either way, but one price will pay for the survival of a future. The fundamentals are a battle of ideas, but you can't argue your point if you've been exterminated from the physical world.

I suspect what's getting to you is not just the nature of the problem, but its urgency. I recently went to a heritage village park that has all of the trappings, including workers in period costume, of a 1910 town from the western prairies. I was struck by the school groups that were there having field trips. The ethnic makeup was about 50% of a type that you wouldn't have seen in this part of the world even five years ago. There were women in hijabs, some of the period actors were almost certainly of the 'preferred pronon' type, and I couldn't help but think that this heritage site's days are numbered and that number is low. One could quite easily add a section to the park for a midwestern town in 2010, as that society, its people, and its attendant culture is now every bit as distant on many levels as the 1910 town and has more in common with it than the present day. In the span of less than a single electoral cycle my city has been substantially transformed into someplace else and if you don't like it then you're labelled a racist, a bigot, or a (insert word of the day here). I used to like to travel and when it was over was glad to be back home. Now it would seem that I'll have to travel to find a place I feel at home because this one has been given away out from under me. I go to the mall and the transactions are done in broken english but ALL of the personal conversations are in different languages. Some of these people may be nice people, but they can be nice people in their homeland and I'll be a nice person in mine. After all, if the Left really wants to help these peoples then they'd encourage the good ones to stay and assist them at making their homeland a better place rather than just walking away from it and leaving those that remain to suffer.

David Horowitz had an interview with Dave Rubin and I found it quite refreshing to watch. As others have mentioned on this page, Horowitz was completely immersed in the communist camp and now is a fierce critic of it, but with first-hand knowledge of its agenda. In that interview he states that he's now deliberately non-PC with the Left and hits back at them just as hard as they hit him. It's one way of actively responding and I believe that Roseanne should have taken this route too rather than bowing at the altar of PC and asking for forgiveness. Her show still would have been cancelled but she would have maintained some dignity and many people would have respected her more for being non PC.

You aren't the only one to be consciously aware of the anti-white race bias in today's society. Faith Goldy has a very illustrative video on YouTube titled "BANNED FROM PATREON". She was apparently banned from Patreon for making a statement in support of white children, so to prove the bias she changed 'white' to 'aboriginal' in the exact same statement and had people lining up to sign a 'petition' supporting it. The Japanese are well aware of this sort of thing and will not allow it to take place with their people, and I say they're much wiser than the West has become in that regard.

In the end the best way forward is to support people like Tommy Robinson, Mr. Steyn, President Trump, and even Jordan Peterson. Be vocal in your support and don't back down from truthful statements. The battle will find you soon enough and if you research what you say before you say it and don't let the Left define the argument then you'll have plenty of action on your hands and hopefully plenty of success. Start with well thought out comments on simpler matters until you build your skills or you'll be out of action before you get anywhere.

Tom Korte

CW • Jun 1, 2018 at 10:04

Your labelling of Obama's terms in power as 'date rape' is spot on! Fortunately the lady cried out and Papa Trump has now arrived on the scene to put things right.

Roy A Crocker

CW • Jun 1, 2018 at 17:17

The only issue I have here is the use of "African" governance" to describe those catastrophic 8 years which America may never fully recover from. It's needlessly provocative but of course you're dead on about the deep seated racial hatred of the white race sweeping America. Obama, Holder, Lynch, Sharpton, and most of the mainstream media, broadcast and print, constantly ginned up racial hatred against conservatives and republicans and were met with mostly silence from the center-right. Tucker said last night how terrified he was at the prospect of the totally transformed democratic party taking over our government once again. I share that fear because - to quote one of Mark's great book titles - it would be "lights out for America".

Roy A Crocker • Jun 1, 2018 at 19:57

If that wasn't a taste of African style governance, then what?

P. Gao

Roy A Crocker • Jun 1, 2018 at 20:53

Eh, it's not 'African governance' per se. Who is pulling the strings on all this? How many African governments and countries are in debt slavery thanks to the IMF, the World Bank? How many African households have no electricity because every power plant project was tied up in oustide environmental slow-walked death by a thousand environmental statements - not by Africans but by Foreigners? What color are the big wigs at the IMF, the WB ? What is the 'color ' of those higher up the food chain who they report to?

Are Africans in charge of their own countires? In the former English colonies, what companies dominate the economies; in the former French colonies, which companies dominate the economies? How much now does China own of Africa? It's not African-owned companies that are drilling, mining, logging in Africa and extracting the wealth, shipped off never to be seen again.

To illustrate further: In Mauritania, the targeted people were 'Senegalese'. Just to look at it, it was blacks lynching blacks... but that's superficial. The first targets were foreigners... Senegalese legal and illegal workers... but after a little while it morphed to purging citizen Mauritanians of the Pulaar tribes. So, the real target took a little to discover, after entire Pulaar villages were raided in the dead of night and booted over the border.

But the 'blacks' doing the brute labor for this - not racism, because everyone on each side was black, but ethnic cleansing -- were in fact black slaves, as in owned by ... someone else. Who was the someone else? The 'whites' as they called themselves, are the Arab-Berbers--- the Maurs. As they sat placidly drinking tea and chatting in their homes and offices being all sociable and civil, out of sight and thus out of mind, their slaves beat the crap out of the targets, all the way to the border river.

Why? The census showed the Pulaars were rapidly on their way to being the dominate population and thus ipso facto opposition political bloc in the country, usurping by birthrates, the Maurs. Soo... it did get racial then, too. Both nomadic herders, the Pulaars are of Sub-Saharan bloodlines, the Maurs north African to Yemen Arab bloodlines. They compete head-on on the herding, the gold, the salt, the smuggling trade from drugs to arms to people. Might say the Pulaars could win this as they are less provincial than the Maurs, roam farther, eat a better diet, like the international jet-set life, usually speak four languages and get top diplomas.

All the swell talk about 'brothahs and sistahs' favored by the justice crowd, stuck in some fantasy of U.S.- focused street culture facade, doesn't explain why wasn't there more 'solidarity' between the black slaves and the free blacks?

It has to go past the fact that Pulaars also own black slaves, just not those ones though. Well, they didn't speak the same mother language or were from the same tribe and were quite different culturally. Further, the black slaves were born into their slavery by their own fathers - the Maurs who had children by their black slave women.

The family bloodlines rule -- no matter how many squabbles within the family, it unites against outsiders. It's quite the system of slavery when a slave is faced with disobeying or betraying his own father when thinking to act on that yearning to be free. Besides, they were promised most of the loot from any pillaging they did for their payments. Incentive system, with the stamp of approval from their own bloodline patriarchies-- who own the government of course.

So, trying to make sense of all this by color alone can lead people astray, away from the truth. It'll make a lot of sense if one applies basic human greed assumptions, informed by who's related to whom? Who's ultimately going to profit, who will agree to do the dirty work to make it happen?

BallBounces in PEI • May 31, 2018 at 13:15

Congratulations to Canada's #1 Social Justice Worrier - Mark Steyn! Am trying to re-jig my schedule and bounce to Toronto for the 15th...

Mark replies:

Look forward to that, BallBounces. If you can't make Toronto in June, I believe the Mark Steyn Club Cruise will be putting in at PEI in the fall, so, if you're not aboard, do join us at Green Gables or wherever we'll be headed.

Ray Winchester • May 31, 2018 at 11:42

Congratulations on your award Mark. Hope you all have a good evening.

PK33 • May 31, 2018 at 11:10

Thinking about the empathy to understand people in their own time, as per John A. MacDonald, I've mentioned previously in the comments here that that thought brings to mind the question of abortion. I believe the tide is turning as the medical facts of DNA and sonograms provide undeniable evidence of a unique human being in the womb, but pro-abortion people ignore the evidence for convenience sake. It can't honestly be denied that the question is about a life and not a right. How will history look upon those who were in denial and were gleeful about the ending of human lives? I think history will be very unkind.

PK33 • May 31, 2018 at 12:25

Considering the gravity and immediacy of the culture/race wars - I now embrace abortion as a fortunate tool by the left to reduce their numbers.

No apologies from me. Vanilla solutions do not insure the survival of my grand children.

PK33

CW • May 31, 2018 at 12:47

Unfortunately, there is no way of knowing whether aborted children would have grown up to hold political views of the Left, or the Right or somewhere in the middle. You're entitled to make your assumption, certainly, but there have been many on the Left recently red-pilled and very vocal about it, so I would say not to cast the aborted children aside based on something unprovable. They are human beings at the very least, even if they were to be allowed to live and become rabid Lefties. How will history look upon those who would wish the number of their opponents to be murdered as a "fortunate tool" toward their goal? ISIS comes to mind, among others.

PK33 • May 31, 2018 at 13:28

How noble —-

Time is up for virtue signaling

Now it's kill or be killed time - the left has never been held accountable for the millions and millions killed on the alter of noble intent.

The economic and environmental music is slowing - and there are not 7 billion chairs. So I'll pass on your invitation to the church of lofty thoughts - in favor of the trenches defending Western Civilization from the demons within and without. If they abort their spawn - it's a win.

PK33

CW • May 31, 2018 at 14:38

I've never thought that respect for life is virtue-signalling, however it could be considered noble. Would genocide, particularly of innocent, unborn children, bring the Left to account? Is it noble? Do only Democrats have abortions? Are you making attempts at hyperbole?

I'm armed and ready if it actually comes to kill or be killed and I am a crack shot with both our short and long guns. I'd rather have a gun in my hand than the police on the phone, any day of the week, but I would prefer to be certain about who is truly my enemy and how best to defeat them. Murder doesn't permit for do-overs.

Sol Cranfill

CW • May 31, 2018 at 14:47

What kind of killing will you be participating in?

Andrew A

CW • May 31, 2018 at 15:23

I disagree. It was Solzhenitsyn who exposed the Soviet Union for what it really was; he grew up within the system and believed in it fully until becoming disillusioned. David Horowitz in the US grew up as a "Red Diaper Baby" but turned against the ideology to expose the murderous tendencies of the New Left. Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch came from a dhimmi family to daily expose the evils of Islam and dhimmitude. Even Mark Steyn has Belgian family members making him congenitally linked to the very centre of EU bureaucratic stultitude. All this began when the conservatives were passively accepting the inevitability of socialism, the permanence of the Soviet Union, believing the myth of tolerance in Islam, and the wonderful future of Europe in the EEC.

Some of the most effective enemies of the Left come from their own spawn. We would be in worse shape if any of these were aborted; and would probably be in much better shape now if fewer had been. It is the numerous points of commonality between persons on the Left and Right that make the battle worth fighting.

Regarding the 7 billion chairs: that is just another leftist attempt to frame and limit the debate. The creative thinking necessary to produce the biological and agricultural technology to support eight, ten, twenty or thirty billion people on a much warmer planet (and the culture to enlighten and educate them) will not come from leftist ideology (even they know that), but from their enemies, traitors, and holdouts. So live and let live, and future generations will view us as a tentative start to something much better rather than the last dying embers of something great.

Roy Koczela

CW • May 31, 2018 at 15:37

If "Western Civilization" implies the vivisection of innocents, it isn't worth saving.

Andrew A

Roy Koczela • May 31, 2018 at 17:56

Roy

Exactly. There's no point in saving the bath water if you've thrown out the baby.

Roy Koczela • May 31, 2018 at 21:28

Word salad.

The left butchers innocents and spouts similar platitudes. I'll take my civilization minus the teeming hordes —-

Save The Children ? Are you insane? We did - now they come for us in our beds in Cape Town , Melbourne, —

Too many places to list -

Sol Cranfill • May 31, 2018 at 21:41

Now Sol - are you baiting me?

Do you want me to critique my thoughts on Ebola, AIDS, Zika, The carpet bombing of women and children in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan??? -

Or just gleeful perusal of Chicago homicides???

Roy Koczela • Jun 3, 2018 at 09:35

Readers will need a healthy shot of insulin after that high fructose corn -

"isn't worth saving".... Sounds like the Berkeley student manuel.

David Hagen • May 31, 2018 at 10:26

I read the article this morning about Tommy Robinson in the Washington Post. They basically paint him as racist who is getting what he deserves and is be supported by other racists like Donald Trump and Roseanne Barr.
They accuse him of harassing some innocent dark skinned men out side the courthouse and paint a picture of him as an dangerous convicted felon another example of the biased left wing reporting and why the mainstream media is dying.

Ray Winchester

David Hagen • May 31, 2018 at 11:40

Hi David, yes they do paint him as a racist. But that is the MSM.
He left the EDL because of racism. If you do a search for a video of these suspects from 2017. Huddersfield 29. It is reported in most MSM in UK so no laws broken by viewing, you will see members of the Sikh community there. Yes, they do it to their children too. Here is their website. https://sasorg.co.uk/
You will also see black and Chinese people at some of these meetings. Basically their to shame potential paedophiles from the predominantly Pakistani communtiy. I had never seen any before last Friday and only looked after Tommy was arrested.
Then I watched the whole hour long video he made that day and many more over the weekend.
One thing I didn't like about Tommy was his police goading. He didn't do that day, but on many of the videos he has. But he can't walk down the street in his own town Luton so may that's why.
The police and the CPS must of done a lot of work getting these 29 to court. Again this list is on BBC and other websites and what they are charged with. So why all this secrecy is beyond me.
They have on going paedophile trials now and all the reporters are there.
Anyway, I think the Washington Post should actually do some journalism (do they have any journalists left?)and they might even know, you can't be racist against a religion.
My view for Tommy went from a 3 to a 10 out of 10 for his bravery afterwards.
One of the Sikh guys really looks scary. A lot more frightening than Tommy.

Laura Rosen Cohen

David Hagen • Jun 1, 2018 at 15:03

Dinosaur media is dying, but social media is neatly and swiftly taking its place. Coincidentally, it has the same ideological bent with even more rigid and totalitarian controls on the flow of information than we have seen in any other time in human history.

PK33 • May 31, 2018 at 10:23

Great segment Mark. Your time with John Oakley is the one bit of audio that I can't save for binge-listening later, I always have to click and listen first thing in the morning.

Congratulations again on the George Jonas Freedom Award. I am a member of the Munk Debates and was recently reminded that Jonas suggested the debates, and of course they were funded by mining magnate Peter Munk. Both men have left this mortal coil and thankfully left legacies behind. I have most of Jonas' books, including all his poetry books. He is head and shoulders above so many people. I wonder though, how will they top Mark Steyn as the initial award recipient? Tommy Robinson himself, in absentia perhaps? Just saying "in absentia" about a prisoner in the UK gives me chills. East Wind Blows West indeed.

Mark replies:

Just a quick word on Peter Munk and George Jonas, PK. Aside from both being Hungarian, they were complete opposites in almost every way - not least in the Midas Touch of one and the non-Midas Touch of the other. But Peter valued George's counsel enormously, and his remarks at George's memorial were generous and very moving and have stayed with me over the last couple of years.

PK33

PK33 • May 31, 2018 at 11:14

Midas and non-Midas, very appropriate. Although Munk procured literal gold, Jonas produced literary gold.

David Hagen • May 31, 2018 at 10:11

Congratulations on the George Jonas award Mark. For other Canadian members I want to put a plug in for the the Canadian Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms I am a huge supporter and have backed it up financially they are fighting the good fight and could use all the support they could get. I wish I would be able to attend the awards ceremony but alas it is on the other side of the Country but again congratulations on the award it is richly deserved.

Mark replies:

Thank you, David. And good for you re the JCCF. They're very deserving of support.

Carl Branstetter • May 31, 2018 at 04:28

I gave up on talk radio because there's nothing I'm willing to endure 40 minutes of advertising an hour to hear. But if we had a John Oakley in America, I might reconsider.

Owen Morgan • May 31, 2018 at 01:41

When I was in Peru last year, my guide in Cuzco observed that the last three mayors of the city were all in prison for corruption. Not long after returning home, I read that imprisoned Alberto Fujimori, former President, was giving helpful advice to Ollanta Humala, another former President, who was being held before trial and assumed to be a flight risk, since Alejandro Toledo, one of the presidents between Fujimori and Humala, was wanted on corrruption charges, but was in Miami. Outside, fading posters urged people to vote for Keiko. It was only after I got home that I realised why Keiko didn't use her surname: Fujimori. She came close to winning the Peruvian presidency.

Which means that I am conflicted about the state of countries where the leaders drive around with "the reflector shades". There is a whole lot of corruption in Peru, clearly, but you can end up doing serious time for it. That seems to put Peru a step ahead of another republic, where belonging to political royalty gives one a pass, regardless of the potential charges.

Sol Cranfill

Owen Morgan • May 31, 2018 at 11:09

It sounds like our justice systems are going opposite directions on the shining path.

Speaking of Clintonian lifetime get-out-of-jail-free cards, Keiko was the name of the orca who played Willy in Free Willy.

Tom Korte • May 31, 2018 at 01:22

This is certainly one of your best appearances I've heard you do on this radio program. Several well made points concisely summarised. A pleasure to listen to.

Kate Smyth

Tom Korte • May 31, 2018 at 23:35

It's always a pleasure to listen to John Oakley together with Mark; the banter is great, and JO (and someone else in the studio who intermittently erupts into laughter) clearly enjoys their discussions. These segments should be more frequent!

PS. Good comments elsewhere.

Ken • May 30, 2018 at 23:37

Could Tommy Robinson be the only political prisoner in the UK? I've heard of no other, and would find it hard to categorize any IRA member as a political prisoner, regardless. I hope someone is keeping count besides the EU ministry mullahs.

Steyn Club Feedback: Oakley's interviews are a highlight of my week. If roles could be reversed, I'd love to see him as a guest on the Mark Steyn show.

Nigel Sherratt

Ken • May 31, 2018 at 09:49

TR is always 'EDL founder ...' in any MSM description yet Sinn Fein MEP Martina Anderson is not labelled 'former IRA bomber'. There was an enjoyably ironic moment when her planned centenary celebration of the Easter Rising in the European Parliament had to be called off following yet another Jihadi attack in Brussels.

PK33

Nigel Sherratt • May 31, 2018 at 10:25

Similar to Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. They are called "fugitives" by Wikipedia. Obama called them friends and mentors. Sickening.

Steven Payne • May 30, 2018 at 23:14

Congrats on the award, Mark! Now which one of the brothers was George, the cute one, the funny one, the bad boy? I don't really follow these boy bands.

Fran Lavery • May 30, 2018 at 21:40

Congrats in advance for receiving the very first George Jonas Freedom Award by Canada's Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedom. Mark Steyn, you make your club members so proud to know you! As with all the previous events you've extended your kind invitations to, this member will be there in spirit but celebrating with enthusiasm from the home turf, nevertheless. Yes, it's a zippy 90 minutes from a lot of places just not where I live. Sigh!