Ship of Fools
Mark talks to Tucker about his new book

October 1, 2018

https://www.steynonline.com/8877/ship-of-fools

Mark is somewhere in the Gulf of St Lawrence this morning entertaining his guests on the sold-out Mark Steyn Club Cruise. So he won't be able to keep his Monday date with Tucker Carlson on Fox News tonight. In lieu of that, we thought you'd enjoy the following one-hour special. Tomorrow is the official launch day for Tucker's entertaining and insightful new book Ship of Fools - which is not a reference to the Mark Steyn cruise but in fact a brilliant analysis of some of the biggest issues of our time. Mark and Tucker explored some of those themes in this livestreamed book signing from a couple of days ago. They address the state of men in contemporary society and the likelihood of civil war, as well as detouring into asides on fly-fishing and unpasteurized cheese. And, with the Kavanaugh circus ongoing, Tucker talks very movingly about what it's like to find yourself on the receiving end of a false rape accusation. Click below to watch:

Steyn will be back on screen tomorrow for a brand new SteynPost. SteynPosts is made with the support of members of The Mark Steyn Club, for which we are profoundly grateful. If you're a Steyn Club member and you take issue with Tucker or Mark, then have at it in our comments section.

~We had a busy weekend at SteynOnline starting with Mark's reaction to the latest twists and turns in the Kavanaugh fiasco. Our Saturday movie date prompted Steyn to a bad case of Woad rage. Our Sunday Song of the Week offered a kind of postscript to Mark's remembrance of Denis Norden with a beautiful ballad: "This Is All I Ask." But our big programming event was the continuation of The Mark Steyn Club's latest audio adventure - Mark's serialization of John Buchan's classic and highly pertinent tale of great-power maneuvering and Islamic insurrection, Greenmantle. Click to hear him read Part Fifteen, Part Sixteen and Part Seventeen - or settle in for a good old binge-listen right from Part One here. If you were too busy accusing Brett Kavanaugh of Satanism and bestiality at a sock hop in 1972, we hope you'll want to check out one or two of the foregoing as a new week begins.

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Mark Lassiter • Oct 7, 2018 at 10:11

I have nothing negative to say of Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson or their excellent works. I only want to know who was asleep at the wheel of their PR staff when they decided to promote "Ship of Fools" whilst Mark was on his inaugural cruise ship tour???

Tom Korte • Oct 2, 2018 at 19:22

Great casual discussion. I really enjoyed this. It would be nice if you two could do something like this again every so often.

P. Gao • Oct 2, 2018 at 14:28

Wonderful show!
What's happened? Yes - looted!! The nation has been robbed, the biggest theft in all history. It only maintains the facade of services while the core was gutted. So we see a vile mess on the streets of broken people. Where did all that money go? For what purposes to what end? Look at universities - speaking of facades and gutted cores that always need more money. They're centrally-controlled autonomous enclaves surrounded by low income neighborhoods. Every student has an ID that he or she swipes for tuition, food, every door lock access on campus, health services,even the washing machine. Tracked to how many times of a day one uses a toilet.
This dead end culture uses the mass media, the schools, the courts to attack the core of a civilization: the FAMILY.
Hence the 'rights of the child' talk, the 'rights of women' and the attacks on 'patriarchy' --- patriarchy that's just the FATHER head of the Family. 5,000 years of recorded human history of 'it works.' Other societies that didn't have that were destroyed. dust heap of history.
Heh. Loved that anecdote about the Liberian warlord cell phone jingle - so true. Life is more complex than the simple stereotypes we've been fed.

But especially appreciated being able to 'be part of the room' enjoying the relaxed camaraderie, give and take of two adult, responsible and intelligent family men. Thank you M. Mark and M. Tucker!

Laurence Jarvik • Oct 2, 2018 at 05:59

Mark, I really enjoyed this show...I think you are even a better interviewer than pundit (and you are a very good pundit!)...I wish someone would put the Mark Steyn Show back on the air, as a counter to Bill Maher et al. I really miss it, and this interview shows why! I pre-ordered the book from Amazon, and after watching this show, I can't wait for them to arrive. Tucker's sympathy for working Americans clearly comes from his relationship with his father and his own work ethic. The discussion of rural male unemployment could make a serious television special in the old CBS Reports style--does Fox ever do those type of serious in-depth documentaries? If not, you and Tucker could produce one for PBS--he used to have a PBS show and his dad ran the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Something along the lines of "Crisis of the American Male." Frontline could show it in their slot, or you might do a multi-part stand-alone...sponsored by one of the billionaire think-tanks Tucker rightly criticized. Point is--radical feminism is destroying society by destroying men. This kind of interview makes me very proud indeed to be a member of the Mark Steyn Club!

Fran Lavery • Oct 2, 2018 at 03:11

It was quite refreshing hearing the questions turned onto Tucker. It was relaxing, too, because both men took their time and their turns talking, unlike on the TC show sometimes when some rude Leftist guests (never never Mark) talk over Tucker and I can't hear either. I felt it was important to order the book. I was surprised that you could enter for a chance to get a phone call from Tucker. (I better read the book the minute it arrives). I made a little list of things to converse about should I win the phone call. (It will be awful if it happened to be Tucker on the phone just while I would be driving to see my daughter in Tucson because of all the dead or dropped-call zones. Or zipping to Alamogordo for my weekly BBQ, for that matter, or Truth or Consequences for my hot springs bath! Dead zones in nearly every direction you drive and even rocket launching zones to get to the BBQ!)

There are a variety of questions on the list: A bunch about fly fishing. One related to his show: Is the audience ever going to hear why the FBI shut down the observatory and post office at Sunspot, NM? Oh, and several more about dogs: do his obey his commands, if yes, did he train them himself? Not really expecting I'll win the phone call, though, but I guess it does seem like Tucker would be easy to shoot the breeze with should I win the phone call and should I misplace my list.

BallBounces in PEI • Oct 1, 2018 at 20:52

I'm three minutes in. I'm hoping before the end Mark grabs a pen and joins in signing Tucker's name -- now that's comedy!

Kristine Dewey • Oct 1, 2018 at 18:57

I enjoyed this very much! I became convinced that I had to have this book. I loved hearing Tucker answer all the questions about his life.

Roy A Crocker • Oct 1, 2018 at 17:24

I ordered Tucker's book months ago and expect to receive it later this week. He's not only brilliant but has the courage to call out the collectively insane left at least to the extent that Fox News allows. There will be more attempts to silence him along with Hannity and Laura Ingram as well. I strongly urge members to check out Ben Shapiro's new weekend show running for the next two weeks on Fox. He's lays it out in stark terms just what the future will look like under the control of this 'new left'.

Fran Lavery

Roy A Crocker • Oct 2, 2018 at 10:02

Yes, Roy, I agree. Tucker is brilliant and courageous, down to earth, tireless, relentless and genuine. I think he is not going to give up taking this fight to the crazies on the Left. We need more tv hosts hitting hard and going after every last one of them. Meaning what he does so masterfully, he picks apart their arguments which he said are now like air they're so ridiculous. He clearly is frustrated but he can't let that stop him. Their every word needs to be challenged to frustrate them right back. I think he did a good job with the woman he had on last night being interviewed about the calls for white male racism in the Kavanaugh debacle when the accuser was white as well. I love when he gets a guest on the Left and their arguments crumble in moments flat. He shines a big spotlight on their hypocrisy. The hypocrisy is where the Democrats and those in power on the Left skate free.

Holly Henry • Oct 1, 2018 at 17:11

When you posted the photo of you and Tucker at your studio awhile back, I'd hoped that meant a Steyn interview would soon be forthcoming. This is the next best thing, although Tucker was a bit distracted by the book signing. Interesting that he can write and listen at the same time, but can't write and speak simultaneously. Any time you two want to get together and chat, please record it and share it with us. It's guaranteed to be interesting and entertaining.

Babs J • Oct 1, 2018 at 16:03

Mark, you're the perfect salesman. Your humor is fantastic.

John A Barrett • Oct 1, 2018 at 11:48

Wonderful interview. Great hearing Tucker on a personal level - a genuine, likable man.