Questioned to Death

by Mark Steyn
Tucker Carlson Tonight
October 15, 2018

https://www.steynonline.com/8913/questioned-to-death

On Monday I returned to "Tucker Carlson Tonight" to comment on the apparent murder of a Saudi dissident (and US resident) in his country's consulate in Istanbul. Tucker also brought up the DNA test by Fauxcahontas. In compliance with the progressives' new One-Drop Rule, Elizabeth Warren has revealed that she is officially between one one-hundred-and-twenty-eighth and one one-thousand-and-twenty-fourth Native American. I know the old-school Democrats kept careful track of their quadroons and octoroons, but I don't think even they got up to centum-viginti-octoroons, never mind mille-viginti-quadroons. Click below to watch:

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On Tuesday we'll explore both topics further in a brand new Clubland Q&A, in which I'll take questions from Mark Steyn Club members live around the planet. That's at 4pm North American Eastern, which is 9pm in London, 10pm in Paris, 11pm in Cairo, midnight in Moscow, the early hours of Wednesday morning in Asia, and a somewhat more civilized breakfast time in Sydney, Melbourne and New Zealand.

If you're not yet a member of The Mark Steyn Club, we'd love to have you. You can find more details about our audio adventures and other Club benefits here. This month's inaugural Steyn Club Cruise with me and my special guests was a sell-out smash, and we'll be announcing next year's very soon. In the meantime, if you're in Pennsylvania, western New York or even kinda sorta southern Ontario, the great Dennis Miller and I are coming to a town near you:

Dennis Miller and Mark Steyn kicking off tour in Reading

...plus Syracuse, Wilkes-Barre and Rochester:

Comedian Dennis Miller and conservative Canadian author/political commentator Mark Steyn are bringing their Adorable Deplorable Tour to Kodak Center, 200 W. Ridge Road, at 8 p.m. Friday, March 1.

Tickets to the show (starting at $45, plus fees) go on sale Monday, Oct. 22, at Ticketmaster. VIP packages, which include an opportunity to meet Miller and Steyn after the show, also will be sold.

Hmm. On the one hand, "comedian"; on the other, "conservative Canadian". I feel Dennis has the advantage category-wise.

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Tom Korte • Oct 16, 2018 at 21:42

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You're not busy shredding emails on that server, are you?

Melissa at The Mark Steyn Club

Tom Korte • Oct 16, 2018 at 22:16

Hi Tom, there seems to be a system wide outage at the moment. Hopefully, it will be back soon!

Sol Cranfill • Oct 16, 2018 at 18:58

Trump seems to be the one with a tribal background, running circles in a ceremonial ker-pow-wow around his opposition. If Pinocchahontas runs, Trump will slice, dice, pickle and return her to the legendary crab fields of Oklahoma.

Kate Smyth

Sol Cranfill • Oct 16, 2018 at 20:12

Pinocchahontas?! How could you? Those 0.1% Cherokee Cheekbones are 100% authentic!

Sol Cranfill

Kate Smyth • Oct 16, 2018 at 20:56

I'm mainly focused on the nose.

Tom Korte

Sol Cranfill • Oct 16, 2018 at 21:40

I really like the Pinocchahontas, but it won't catch on because it's waaaay to difficult to spell. On the other hand, that means nobody will notice when you do misspell it because they won't know the correct form anyway!

Sol

Tom Korte • Oct 16, 2018 at 21:55

I'm still trying to learn how to spell pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.

Fran Lavery

Kate Smyth • Oct 17, 2018 at 00:59

I have an elderly friend in El Paso who was born on Long Island. Her father's side is all from Cork and her mother's father was French Canadian but he married an Iroquois woman. My Irish friend is dark-skinned with very black hair. Once she told me the background, I understood how none of this gene pool thing really concerned me too much. It was just something to shoot the breeze about over a Guinness. The most interesting thing I appreciated in her was that she was a very talented piano player, her brother a talented classical guitarist and the father was a drummer and leader of a marching band on LI back in the early 1900's. I never gave her skin color a second thought and the part about the Iroquois part of her gene pool never scored her any brownie points in life, I'm sure.

Kate Smyth

Fran Lavery • Oct 17, 2018 at 11:41

"... I never gave her skin color a second thought..." Precisely, Fran.

Fran Lavery

Kate Smyth • Oct 17, 2018 at 13:43

It's hard for me to believe we're even talking about people's color or ethnicity at this point in time in 2018, Kate. I guess the powers that wish to divide us are bigger than I ever thought. With the midterm elections coming up here, politicians need to get back to talking about issues that people care about, that hit them in the pocket book and in correcting the abysmal way in which the Progressivea have destroyed our educational system. Not to mention enabling our Southern borders with Mexico to remain wide open.

We have such a disadvantage in getting our message out here in Southern New Mexico. They turned off our only conservative talk radio station, the local papers come out and sponsored our Progressive community organizer for the US House to replace Rep, Steve Pearc (R) when if they had their heads in place on their shoulders instead of where their backsides are, they would know that the candidate who wants 80% renewables ASAP is going to be sending money outside our state and will raise the voters' household energy costs to astronomical levels. The Democrats get outside the state funding six to one to our Republicans. We are already one of the poorest states in the country but there is something about poor and backward think these Progressives are really invested in. I don't get it at all. The three US states bordering us: Texas, Arizona and Colorado are booming. We don't even have to hop in a plane to get some economic advice. They are our next door booming neighbors. Very discouraging and very frustrating.

Fran Lavery

Fran Lavery • Oct 17, 2018 at 15:52

Newspapers "endorse" right, not exactly "sponsor," although, anymore who knows what goes on behind the scenes.

James P

Fran Lavery • Oct 18, 2018 at 14:14

Most white people have a wide variety of genes from all over the world. My very Irish wife did one of those home DNA tests and found she had a genotype originating from Lappland/Norway. My family was in England as far back as I know before coming to America but my genotype is primarily found in the Mediterranean area around Italy. So I told the kids they are descended from a Viking and a Roman soldier.

Fran Lavery

James P • Oct 18, 2018 at 19:27

See? It's just kind of fun but meaningless stuff to talk about but what moron would ever think to use this kind of info to get into law school or medical school? I can look at faces and that clues me with some more useless information and sometimes I guess right and sometimes I'm dead wrong, as in the case of my Irish French-Canadian Iroquois friend. I met her first in an Italian class and thought she's probably second generation Italian. Wrong!

AB43 • Oct 16, 2018 at 15:27

Mark, My take on Khashoggi affair is that US should not stick its nose into this because it will end up bloodied. Let's start with Khashoggi himself based on his name it is not an Arab name it is an Iranian name and I am ready to bet that he is a Shiah, part of the restive minority of population on the Arabian Peninsula. Shiah are considered by the Sunni majority as infidels and are suppressed by the rulers. There is currently an active war between Saudi and Shiah rebels in Yemen that are supported by Iran. To add fuel to the fire, Khashoggi openly criticized the Saudi Crown Prince in US media essentially advocating policy which is considered as a heresy by all observant Muslims. So he is not only a Shiah infidel an enemy of the Saudi rulers but also an apostate which deserves to be killed by pious Muslims. The rumor is that Khashoggi was aware that entering the Saudi Embassy which is considered Saudi territory is very risky for him, since he instructed his fiancé to alert Turkish authorities if he doesn't come out within a couple of hours. He must have been incredibly dumb or incredibly heroic to play chicken with the Saudi rulers by assuming that the Turkish authorities will do anything to rescue a foreign national in general and a Shiah apostate in particular that entered voluntarily into Saudi territory. It does not matter if Khashoggi did what he did due to stupidity or heroism it was a provocation. Getting involved in this trying to play the world's policeman will only infuriate the Saudi rulers thus helping the Iranian rulers that are enthusiasticly undermining the US interests in the Middle East.

Kate Smyth

AB43 • Oct 16, 2018 at 20:18

Yes, infidels of all stripes— Trump included— should be more observant with respect to heresy. We wouldn't want to provoke anyone, would we?

Tom Korte

AB43 • Oct 16, 2018 at 22:00

Good comments AB43. Myself, I haven't looked into this matter too deeply for a couple of reasons.
1. There's almost no information aside from heresay, some of which probably amount to heresy as you point out.
2. The information that is available seems to be pretty much entirely supplied by the Turkish government. Now, I'm not an expert on recent developments in Turkey, but it seems to me that protecting members of the press has only become an interest of the government VERY recently. Like in the last week or two, and only one member of the so-called press. The story was broken by WaPo, which has been known for it's ruthless pursuit of the truth lately, although it's only their 'truth' that they're ruthless about.

Stepping back and looking at this thing in the broader picture there are a number of problems with it.
- The aforementioned sudden concern for a 'Western Journalist' by Turkey. I think he just wrote some opinion pieces for the Washington Post, but these days I guess that's what passes for journalism. I seem to recall that he had American citizenship, but really, he's what Jill Colton would call a 'paper Amercian'. In the shipping industry it's called a flag of convenience I think.
- After a couple of years of getting almost nowhere, Turkey suddenly releases the American Pastor just as this incident hits the world stage. That's just coincidence, right?
- WaPo is the voice of the far Left (one of many), and as such hates Saudi Arabia because MBS is an ally of President Trump.
- Turkey is becoming more hard line Islam and Saudi Arabia is trying to become more moderate. Can't see any ideological conflict there.
And so it goes.

AB43

Kate Smyth • Oct 16, 2018 at 22:57

Kate you are 100% right. As Henry Kissinger said during Iraq and Iran war that that the best outcome that he wishes that both sides should fight until both sides lose. Promoting heresy will give them a pause fighting each other and turn them against the infidels that promote the heresy. So Trump's threat to punish Saudi for killing Khashoggi the heretic was not really a smart thing to say.

AB43

Tom Korte • Oct 17, 2018 at 07:42

Jamal Kashoggy never was an American citizen. Good information about who he was his background and what notable thing he has done since his birth in Medina in 1958 See Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi

AB43

AB43 • Oct 17, 2018 at 09:25

It is difficult to admit but most what I posted is wrong although I still beleive that US involvement in this affair as it stands now is a losing undertaking.

Tom Korte

AB43 • Oct 17, 2018 at 09:28

My mistake about his citizenship, it probably came from him being referred to as an 'American Journalist' somewhere. He was a 'journalist' for and American media outlet (I don't like to drag the once great idea of a newspaper through the mud by misusing that term here) and that's not the same thing as an American journalist.
As I said, I haven't bothered to follow this incident that closely because it smacks of a media event that's being orchestrated by Turkey. He may have been killed, or he may have been abducted and killed, or he may have been abducted, or he may have gotten cold feet before getting hitched. If a Saudi hit squad did got on tour it may have been something undertaken by rouge elements within the Kingdom; some of which were politely detained a year or so ago at an upscale hotel until they supposedly agreed to cease and desist. I'm not saying that MBS is a saint, but why would he go to all this trouble and risk this kind of backlash for someone that was writing a few articles that nobody in the Kingdom is ever going to read? Unless of course there's more to what's going on and the media isn't dealing from a full deck, but that never happens right? If he was worth the risk then he must have been up to something that was potentially quite damaging. There are so many aspects to this story that just don't sit well that it would be extremely rash to just run with the WaPo narrative. You can say that it has been reported by numerous outlets but really, they're all being fed by the same source so the only difference is how they rewrite the information (if they even do that these days).

This incident reminds me a lot of the 'gas attack' in Syria. As soon as the US announced it might be pulling out PRESTO! there's an incident to play on the world stage and the White Helmets are right there with cameras rolling. There's coincidence and then there's convenience and when the two are out and about together one would do well to be critical of things.

I generally try to avoid Wikipedia for anything that could be of a political or remotely ideological nature as it has a reputation for being another outlet that's been taken over by the Left. If I recall correctly, during his interview with Dave Rubin, Dave Horowitz said that he tried to edit the Wikipedia page about him because it said some incorrect things but he was not allowed to do so. There was another incident where an author tried to edit the page about a book he wrote but was told he wasn't a 'subject matter expert' and was not allowed to do so.

Kate Smyth

AB43 • Oct 17, 2018 at 11:39

To be crude and frank about it, a massive middle finger to the Saudis is well overdue, and Trump's skill with lobbing verbal grenades might be just what's needed to assist the process (of mutual sectarian destruction) which you describe.

Laura Rosen Cohen • Oct 16, 2018 at 14:52

I just want to get this straight. Bogus, un-scientifically sound Nazi genetic assumptions and rules about mischlings, et cetera are evil and repulsive, anti-human hooey but genetic analysis for the purpose of proving aboriginal tribal affiliation is good? What are the rules? Is judging a human by genetics, using either a microscope or a set of bullcrap Nazi balderdash eugenics criteria good or bad? Is it good if it defeats Trump? Anyone?

Calvert Whitehurst

Laura Rosen Cohen • Oct 16, 2018 at 17:31

Laura, you should be careful about using the word "straight" in that context. It sounds like hetero-normative supremacy. But essentially, for those who make it into the inner circles of Leftist power, there is the illusion of consistency without the inconvenience of actually being consistent, except in the pursuit of power. So, Elizabeth Warren saw nothing inconsistent in using an apparently inaccurate family story of a part-Cherokee great-grandmother as a basis of applying for a Harvard Law School faculty position set aside for a native American; and the search committee saw nothing inconsistent about hiring her. Because, as far as she is concerned, think of all the good she has been able to do since then.

Fran Lavery

Laura Rosen Cohen • Oct 17, 2018 at 14:39

The Left makes the rules flex to fit their purposes, Laura. The only new groundrule seems to be if the old rule produces the wrong result just dispose of it. And they don't bother to waste time investigating the unintentional consequences of their own rule-busting actions.

It's in the old bifurcated system where they dwell. Any ploy works: lying, cheating, obfuscating, even destroying their opponent's life if it works to their advantage.

Laura Rosen Cohen • Oct 16, 2018 at 14:45

This is a clear case of Saudicide.

Calvert Whitehurst • Oct 16, 2018 at 12:59

Back when I was a kid, Amer-Inds in TV and movie westerns were generally portrayed by Jews and Italians- at least the ones who had speaking roles - or dark-haired, brown-eyed actresses like Natalie Wood in Lena Horne's makeup. The Harvard Law search committee might as well have hired a Jew or Italian and then passed him or her off as a Native American. But the whole thing just shows the falsity of affirmative action. Somewhere out there there must be native American law professors who were in the running for the slot on the Harvard Law School faculty ultimately given to Liz Warren. But working with an actual Native American who might have had actual experience with poverty or prejudice would have made faculty members feel guilty and uncomfortable.
Meanwhile, let's work on a Liz Warren playlist. I'll start with Indian Love Call, Cherokee People by Paul Revere & the Raiders, and Half-Breed by Cher.

Tom Korte

Calvert Whitehurst • Oct 17, 2018 at 09:47

Isn't 'Cher' short for Cher-okee? I mean, look at those cheeky bones!

David from Florida • Oct 16, 2018 at 11:40

Many moons ago, I was a young brave, I met Princess Running Joke at a Music Pow Wow. While the band played Cherokee Maiden," we shared a peace pipe behind the sweat lodge. I wanted to take her to the Rain Dance, but father would not let me borrow the family canoe.
I will always treasure my long-lost Cherokee Maiden.
https://youtu.be/TkZBzLWdYv8

Fran Lavery • Oct 16, 2018 at 11:31

I guess this means there will be no Mark Steyn Cruises heeading to Turkey or Saudi Arabia now.

Mark replies:

Cruise-wise I wouldn't rule Turkey out, Fran.

Laura Rosen Cohen

Fran Lavery • Oct 16, 2018 at 14:54

Mark, a cruise could be headed to Turkey but beheaded in Saudi Arabia.

John Shuba • Oct 16, 2018 at 10:31

Wouldn't we all respect Liz Warren just a smidge more if she came out and said something like, "I realize now that claiming Native American ancestry was a big mistake and I apologize to the Cherokees and all indigenous Americans. When I first made the claim I was involved in the life-and-death struggles that go with law school advancement and academic politics. I needed an edge and I thought this was the way to go - I was wrong. I am also withdrawing my crab omelette recipe from folksy cookbooks everywhere at the suggestion of the Hours of Windsor."

Now, how can this hurt her? She holds a Massachusetts Senate seat held for fifty years a guy who helped kill a young woman in the most cowardly manner and who was then triumphantly returned to office for seven or eight terms after the event. Their sister state of Connecticut keeps voting for a guy who was caught red-handed shamefully fabricating a non-existent service record and it doesn't seem to phase them. Rhode Island stands behind Lincoln Chaffee who always looks (and acts) like he's an anthromorphic potato somehow brought to life by a mad scientist working for the DNC. If anyone can get away with a mea culpa and still retain her cred with the New England masses then it's Liz Warren.

P. Gao

John Shuba • Oct 16, 2018 at 12:43

Reportedly, she landed a high-paying job at Harvard based on this family lore. Surprised the Cherokee Nation hasn't launched a lawsuit against her and Harvard for pretending to be inclusive with that set-aside publicized as expressly for Nation candidates and awarding it to her. If she admits this, might risk having to reimburse? Never.
Huh. Had to rewrite this when checking on the name... gads.
What did the Cherokee Nation do to deserve all these academia pieces of work? How many more are out there? Ward Churchilll leveraged years of a cushy academic career by a mail-in card claim of United Keetowah Cherokee at the University of Colorado, a plum perch to lecture everyone in the most odious disingenuous rhetoric about 'ethnic' issues. He actually contributed a lot of divisive rhetoric to polarize people, until he was fired -- after being exposed as a fake. Another 1/16th of 1/32 Cherokee on mother's 1/16th side sort of solid blood-line. It's not Education, it's turbo-funded political machine enclaves that are just decorated with innocent students to fool the public.

P. Gao

P. Gao • Oct 16, 2018 at 13:27

... Apart from the discredited mail-order claim, reportedly Ward Churchill's academic credentials would not have normally have qualified him for any of the positions he landed at U of Colorado. Just call public and private universities Semi-Autonomous Liberal Authorities. SALA They have their own set of laws. but no actual productive functions so they rely on foreign aid packages called: tuition, room and board, student fees, parking permits, grants, tax waivers, subsidies, alumni donations, corporate donations, NGO partnerships, sports.

Robert Orr • Oct 16, 2018 at 09:05

Sir Winston Curchill, no less, had a far greater proportion of Amerindian DNA than Fauxcahontas. Maybe even enough to count as "non-White", and therefore he couldn't possibly have been a "racist".

Mark replies:

No, indeed. He was Britain's first Native American First Lord of the Admiralty. Celebrate diversity!

David from Florida • Oct 16, 2018 at 08:52

In "Pow Wow Chow," right below Elizabeth Warren's crab omelette and Mexican oatmeal recipes, is a contribution from Mr. Elzabeth Warren, who is also listed as a "Cherokee." His recipe is for "Oriental Beef Stir-Fry," no doubt brought over from Siberia and Mongolia when his ancestors crossed over the Bering Straight.

Kathy Shaidle • Oct 16, 2018 at 08:30

I read that at first as "Millie Vanilli Quadroons" :-)

Not meaning to invoke a "lightbulb" joke but: Why does it take so many Saudis to do pretty much anything? I can see how you need 19 of them for 9/11, but to kill one dude? They are actually devolving in terms of competence, which considering their baseline, is pretty darn shocking.

Almost 20 years ago it was, in Salman Rushdie's (I think) famous line, "They flew planes they couldn't invent into buildings they couldn't construct." Now it's 15 guys to kill one person--if this was the Mafia, a capo would be getting smacked around by the head of his family for being so inefficient.

PK33

Kathy Shaidle • Oct 16, 2018 at 11:51

Each Saudi takes one piece or two of the body out, double-wrapped in plastic, inside a valise and onto the charter flight and safely home to SA for disposal. The flight was a fixed cost anyway, may as well hack him into enough pieces to transport without raising suspicion.

Perhaps it is the new Saudi employment program where they want to diversity opportunities instead of having the Saudi nationals all "work" on the government dole. Learn a trade!

Kate Smyth

PK33 • Oct 17, 2018 at 14:56

Wouldn't be surprised if unwitting guests and even the goons themselves, dining at the embassy over subsequent days, participated in the disposal of Khashoggi (an approach used by ISIS). Assuming Jamal was Halal, that is.

Raymond Swenson • Oct 16, 2018 at 07:56

My Ancestry DNA test a year ago showed that I am 1% Native American, 1% Polynesian, 6% Iberian (Spain and Portugal), 6% Italian and Greek (a blended population), and 5% Middle Eastern (Egypt, Arab, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Palestine), along with the French/German, Scandinavian, and Finnish/Russian I had expected through my Dad, whose grandfather immigrated from Sweden in 1896. And 48% East Asian through my Japanese mother. The question I have for Senator Warren is, why should any of that make any difference in the eyes of God or my neighbor, the courts, the government, or the Harvard admissions board? And how should it affect my children and grandchildren?

Giving anyone a preference over others based on ancestry, or penalizing them based on who their grandparents were, is racism, and is prohibited by the 14th Amendment. The theories of the proud racists at Harvard, that they get to decide who gets admitted based on which DNA they find desirable, and which currently finds too many damn Asians in the applicant pool, is just as despicable now as when they were limiting the number of Jews admitted. When strict equality of all races was rejected by the Supreme Court decades ago, it was done by creating a new entity, "diversity", which allegedly benefitted ALL students at a university so much thst it ovrrrode the right of every applicant to be treated equally regardless of DNA. Diversity is a fiction that has no basis in the Constitution or the common law. It enables an arbitrary and capricious racism that is directly contrary to the Constitution, so thst elites in power can pat themselves on the back for giving favors to minorities they like, but not to minorities they don't like. And by lumping half the world into one category--"Asian"--they pretend that people with ancestry from India, Pakistan, China, Korea, the Philippines, and Polynesia are interchangeable pawns in their "diversity" game.

If admissions boards at elite schools want to reserve some slots for students who are not as competitive, they could simply put them in a lottery, where race is not weighed, rather than picking the colors they prefer.

abc123

Raymond Swenson • Oct 16, 2018 at 11:39

I like this comment. When asked if I'm interested in an ancestry DNA test, I say no because it would (or should) have no impact on my life if all it can tell me is what races my ancestors were. I'd be the same person before the test as after. In my mind, what I've inherited from those unknown ancestors is what they taught their children and what those children taught their children, etc. That's how my ancestry has shaped who I am.

BallBounces in PEI • Oct 16, 2018 at 07:46

Ah, yes the Friday beheadings. I was on an assignment in Jeddah when I learned about them. They take place after the Friday prayer service. It's like a Southern Baptist minister announcing, "y'all are invited to stay after the service today -- we'll be beheading brother Bob, and then y'all are invited to sample some of our sister Warren's cherry pies. Y'all know her family background is cherry tree, right?

PK33

BallBounces in PEI • Oct 16, 2018 at 12:19

"cherry tree" - BAHAHAHA!

BallBounces in PEI • Oct 16, 2018 at 07:40

Let's have some charity. Warren never actually said she was Cherokee. What she said was, "there's cherry tree in our family tree". Hope this brings some clarity.

Josh • Oct 16, 2018 at 07:03

Lieawatha has been the worst news for Indigenous Peoples since Wounded Knee. Six years ago, Cole DeLaune, a Kiowa, accused her of "spiritual genocide" (albeit of a "subtle variety") for "appropriat[ing] the mantle of Cherokee lineage at personal discretion." Slipping into and out of Native American identity as easily as a buffalo hide, she wore the identity as genuinely as the zombies and Donald Trump impersonators who show up at my door on Halloween. It's disappointing but hardly surprising to see her continued practice of spiritual genocide--but, on the front page of the Daily Harlot (aka Boston Gob), she's hardly subtle about it anymore.

Mike • Oct 16, 2018 at 02:11

Trump should say he will pay Elizabeth Warren 1/1024 of $1 million, and write her a check for $976.

Robert Stewart • Oct 16, 2018 at 02:02

Lawrence of Arabia made a name for himself by exploiting the ill will that existed between the Ottomans in Instanbul and the free range Arabs that roamed the sands of the Arabian Peninsula. Recap Erdogan's ambitions to restore the Caliphate, which included Saudi Arabia one hundred years ago, can be expected to irritate even fellow Sunnis who presently are enjoying a more personalized form of tyranny.

Sol Cranfill • Oct 16, 2018 at 01:21

Uh, might want to err on the side of the Ten Commandments on this one, Mr President. Whatever alliances Jared Kushner has forged, the spoiled kingdom will have to learn its lesson on not hacking western journalists to death.